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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:45 am 
This is what Idaho is planning on doing in regard to muzzleloader hunting restrictions. All the modern inlines will be reclassified as modern firearms and no longer allowed to be used during muzzleloader season. The modern muzzleloaders will now be included for use during modern firearms hunting seasons.

I've no objections to this as I've always hunted with primitive muzzleloaders during Blackpowder season. The change will probably hurt the sales of modern muzzleloading firearms in Idaho. However the option is still open to those who want to use modern muzzleloaders during the general firearms season.


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I agree with the change,,,,,,,I see guys using modern in-lines with scopes now,,,,,some guys say they're good past 300 yds.


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My problem with it is that the more the government gets involved, the more the government gets involved....

I don't have a problem with different seasons...

I have an inline with a 2X7 Leupold and its MORE deadly than a centerfire at a hundred yards....I've always held that the slower moving thumb-sized hunks of lead leave their bone-crunching power in the animal, not in a tree on the other side....

And in reality, how many places are there out there where a longer shot is needed? To me hunting means getting close, not driving to a tree in an ATV, hanging from a tree like a squirrel in Gomer Pyle camo with my "Rattle-paddle" and "deer-view mirror", range finders, GPS, etc. and shooting at 300 yards....

But since I am not the opinionated type, it comes back to the fact that even if they are right, I don't like the G-men deciding my actions...

Dang revunoors.... :mad:

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I agree with you ,Doc about big slow moving lead doing serious damage on an animal.And yeah I would say that's something that doesn't need to be decided by government,I wouldn't think that would account for a whole lot more or less deer being harvested.


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I don't have a problem with anyone using the weapon of their choice during the regular season.

I also support the early seasons for archery and primitive firearms,,,,,,

I just don't think the modern black-powder shooters need the additional opportunities provided them in the primitive firearms special season.
I think Mike is 100% correct!!!!!

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Doc:
I think a lot of us long for simplified regulations. I remember at the time I got my first hunting license all that was required was a hunting license deer tag bear tag and elk tag, at the time those tags sold for $2.50 each and IIRC the license was $5.00 if you wanted to hunt waterfowl you needed to get a duck stamp which I believe sold for an additional $3.50

Deer season was broken up into three phases.
Early either sex season allowed the use of shotguns muzzleloaders and archery equiptment

General season was for mainly modern firearms, but if you chose to use a shotgun, muzzleloader or bow you were free to do so.

Then we had a doe season.

Under the old regulations you could hunt any of the three species of deer in Washington State anywhere within the state where it was legal to hunt by simply purchasing a hunting license and deer tag.

Under the current regulations you have to specify the species you will be hunting and the wildlife management unit where you'll be hunting them. Many of these units are trophy hunt units only where a buck deer must have three points or more to be legally taken.

As to firearms regulations I can understand requiring a minimum caliber for large game. I have no objection to separating primitive weapons seasons from modern.

What I do object to are requirements for special permits for just about everything now. If you want to shoot varmints you need a varmint permit at an additional $15.00 the same for upland game birds, bulfrogs.... it goes on and on.

Another major objection of mine is the fact that most of these regulations are created by people who never leave their Seattle area offices, they have no concept of the areas or species they are attempting to regulate and the whole process seems more intent on generating additional revenue than managing the overall well being of the game species.

And of course you allready know where I stand regarding ballot box wildlife legislation such as that which brought about our statewide trapping ban and the ban on using hounds for bear and cougar hunting.


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Didn't know there was a restriction on the use of stone arrowheads.According to our Manitoba regs. an arrowhead has to be a minimum of "7/8 wide but doesn't specify what material it has to be made from.You'd think they could stay out of that as anyone so dedicated to bowhunting as to use a stone point will make sure it is well shaped and sharp. As for modern muzzleloaders I'm really fond of my Knight DISC as it is a very well made rifle but I also understand the appeal of more conventional muzzleloaders.


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The stone point restriction is based on the minimum requirement for weight in grains of an arrow point. The stone points are lighter than steel points, allthough a well knapped stone point is every bit as effective as a steel point.


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Hey Doc, "I'm from the Federal Government, I'm here to help." Ronald Reagan was true when he spoke those words.

I like both primitive with a Hawken Rifle or my CVA in-line.
I use the in-line during Ohio's gun season as I don't like killing deer with a shotgun.

The gubment needs to back out and go back to sleep at the switch.

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